HOW BIG IS THIS



I remember seeing some awards show in February where Tina Fey got to do an acceptance speech. She said something about how it's really easy for anyone to look up info about themselves on the Internet and discover all the shit talking going on. She actually bothered to take the time to address specific bloggers by name (or "handle"). That blew my mind. Famous people google themselves / pay attention to every little thing random people say about them? It seemed like she was saying something that everyone else in the room (other famous people) understood but were too embarrassed to talk about. It seemed like she was cutting through some invisible wall.



It seemed weird to me to learn that Chris Ware looks at the TCJ mess board, or to hear Dan Nadel bring up things that happened on the mess board in a panel discussion (in an almost emotional way, even). The TCJ mess board is one of those weird things that everyone follows but pretend they don't or feel embarrassed by. It seems to show comics at its least healthiest, most awkward, and least honest with itself.

I wonder how large comics culture really is. I always thought of Chris Ware as this famous person - he's the one I'll bring up to straight world people if they ask what kind of comics I like. "You know the New Yorker, right?" It's strange to me how invisible comics are, how it still seems somewhat immune to criticism. I still have never read anything interesting about Chris Ware except from the horse's mouth. Will he get a google alert from this blog post? I feel like there should be thousands of blog posts about him. There aren't even any ways to frame how to talk about his comics. The terrible thing about the TCJ mess board is every debate around creators like Chris Ware always generate the most obvious polarizing dialogues, like whether or not he is "depressing" or "pretentious" - dialogues that were never useful to begin with.




While googling around for images I found this dream by Zach Soto and it reminded me of similar dreams I've had:

"I had a dream last night that Dave Sim was on the TCJ boards in order to defend himself from his attackers here, but he didn't sign on under his own name. So the only way anyone would have known that the screenname he was using was really dave sim would be for them to have seen the big paper signs he made and wrote on with pencil saying "Hello, this is dave sim and I have come to the comics journal board to clear up a few things" etc etc. But like I said, these paragraphs were not included in his posts, they were written on big sheets of paper and propped up on the side of the street where he lives. So no one at tcj.com knew it was really dave sim they were flaming when he came on the board!

That was part of a real dream. I had it last night, don't ask me why."




It makes me nervous how small the community is. If I write something about someone on this blog, it becomes "meaningful" to that person because no one else is saying anything. I feel like I'm only writing about comics because of this vacuum, that ideally someone else would be doing this. Thank god ComicsComics exists, and High-Low and a couple others. The mainstream press is completely unequipped to talk about comics other than fulfilling "niche" articles and treating comics as a conceptual "vehicle" rather than a world. ComicsComics et all find niches within comics.

Is there some better way to organize people to talk about these things? Is there just not enough comics to write about? Sometimes it seems that way, like there's not a lot of "new kids" to talk about or write about, that it's still the same old creators doing the same old stuff. The comics landscape reminds me of the empty streets of Colorado Springs. Is everyone the same or is everyone too idiosyncratic? Is there any agreement or is there too much agreement? Is comics criticism too gentle, too positive?

Bottom images by John Campbell

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

dash shaw says he wants to live in a comx commune.

Oliver East said...

Comics criticism which stems from the UK (where I am) suffers from a need to praise something just for existing; just because someone's made the effort to put a comic out there, then we shouldn't tear it up if it's mediocre. “Everything’s great and haven’t we got a great scene going here?” Well no it’s not and no we haven’t.

Comics Comics is a great read. I have no love for specific colourists, inkers, pencil holders or tea boys, or for most of the comics they mention, but I could read them waxing lyrical on subjects they’re passionate about all day. Plus that Frank guy’s got good hair.

Blaise Larmee said...

Anon - I used to want that ... I dunno, I'm not sure I want to "be a part of a community," as odd as that sounds.

Oliver - yeah, that's a weird situation. If everything has value nothing has value. Just ignoring something is power enough. Passion's the main thing.

Oliver East said...

To be fair we do have Paul Gravett who knows his onions

Uland said...

Yes, it is too nice, too insular and way too neurotic about status, or cultural relevance;.I think there's a certain type that gets into comics and then gets deeper into it via TCJ. I think they're attracted to that world because it is so orderly and neat; you can achieve a certain commanding knowledge of such a small world, and all of its contents can fit nicely one one book shelf or in a few boxes. I think this is evinced in how ubiquitous discussions about the "future of comics", or even the real nature of comics are. I mean, can you imagine talk like that on that scale in other mediums?
There are so many different schools of thought in every other medium, and we'd all do better to work toward something similar in comics ( that's my own "future of comics" spiel) .

I think it's retarding growth in all quarters. Certain elements argue that comics "should be fun" and oppose literary trends, art-comic-ers have their corner, etc.. It goes on and on. It's a circle jerk. it's one thing to have a specific vision of your own work or the work you prefer, but to worry about what someone on the opposite end of the spectrum is saying about comics, as though it were a ship that could be steered, is insane. It's like Louis C.K worrying about the new Stephen King novel, or Damien Hirst worrying about Dave Eggers.
I think we need to stop thinking about Comics as a coherent world and start thinking about the ideas present in each work. You can't be disingenuous about that so easily. You can pat someone on the back for making work you don't care about, however, and that serves no one.

James said...

It's like Marmeduke worrying about Iceman.

Blaise Larmee said...

"as though it were a ship that could be steered"

I like that. I think there are some ships within comics, like art comics, superhero comics, etc, that can be steered, and need steering sometimes, but yeah considered as a whole medium it becomes nothing.

Blaise Larmee said...

And I guess that's the benefit of being in a small ship - it's lighter and can turn quicker. Whereas in the "graphic novel" ship you have all this precedent weighing you down and all this momentum driving you forward.

Uland said...

Right, schools might pop up for a few years and then mutate and scatter.
For the record, I'm not denouncing comics scholarship, or fans/critics who're into all kinds of different stuff, or comics in general, I'm just thinking more about the anxiety on the creative side, or among those who are interested in making comic art themselves. It's those fan/artist people, I think, who tend to keep the too-nice or off the charts mean/stupid stuff going.
Did you listen to the Inkstuds interview with Eddie Campbell? I like his take; A Seth graphic novel is less similar to Spiderman than Spiderman is to Night Rider, so let's stop talking about these things like they're related in a meaningful way because they happen to be in this form, which is a bastard anyway.

Jason Overby said...

I agree, Luke. I get annoyed when someone talks about how a certain strip "really utilizes the medium" or some bullshit. Good work is good work. Phoebe Gloeckner, the newest Kim Deitch stuff, Jim Nutt, Paper Rad, Gary Panter for christsakes are all good counter examples. The myopic formalism is counterproductive.

And Blaise, have you read the Imp about Chris Ware? It's really good - I'll let you borrow it!

Rob Clough said...

Dan Raeburn expanded his issue of the Imp (which is brilliant) into a full book.

Jason Overby said...

Oh, yeah! forgot about that! I do like all the nice reproductions of art in the book, but I think I prefer the original zine as an object...

Blaise Larmee said...

huh ... i think i've heard of it ... yeah i'd love to see it!