TOOLIN' AROUND

Okey folks, let's get down to brass tacks. Let's buckle up, pump knuckles and grease up our shins for some real fucking shit about steel, hair and moral fiber!


I was reminded this week that my original function on this blog was to talk shop instead of swooping through like a shitty magpie, with puppets on either arm. But how do you build a puppet anyways? One string at a time, folks. And really, sewing is just another form of drawing, and by extension, storytelling. 



For hopeful spinners of bad yarn (which sometimes glimmers) knowing how to work that cranky loom can be fun and liberating. Gotta know where to put that peg in, how heavily to tarry our heel before slamming on the breaks and throwing the whole ugly rug out the window. 

How to coax those threads 'til they're like warm putty, fuzzy wire, taut rope and eventually, solid concrete, with real emotions!  



We're talkin' art supplies, you goons. Austin has a real nice blog (temporarily semi-dormant) which gives great scoops on this sort of practical nonsense. I direct you there, if you have not yet visited, before spilling my bile below. 


This post covers just a very few  'traditional' cartooning supplies. I will gladly write about Uni-balls, the world of felt-tips and the succulent surface of the soiled paper bag at a later date. Blood and spit on a Q-tip. 

Please disobey these words and strengthen yourself and our community with your opposing innovations. Or pay heavy heed to my every mumble. Above all, I encourage the furious joy of tactile actions, enlivening dead objects, then tossing your filth, full-force and squealing, against the wall. We cartoonists will cackle, we are all fools. Only the zookeeper is humorless, which is totally understandable from his point of view. 
Raphael Sable Brush 

With this tool you can make as thin and clean a line as you would get from a small nib, but the touch on the paper is soft, your grip is tight, and you can fill in blacks without switching tools. Calluses on your thumb-tip and middle finger, The softest feeling makes a cold, hard line.

I always thought Kochalka, Watterson and Doug Tennapel had nice brush styles, so as a tween in my hovel, I invested in some shitty white brushes and proceeded to ink them into oblivion. Going through a brush every day is annoying. So I went to the books, which all recommended Winsor Newton Series 7. These brushes were so fancy but also failed me. 

So I went to my local art supply store, Wet Paint, where the nicest brush-vendor on earth told me the real story. A tale of competing brush-makers on parallel streets swatting each other with sales figures and other vulgarities. Basically, Raphael is still legit and for ink drawing, they rule. You will coat them in dark toxins and they will thrive, if washed and soaped a little.

Series 8404 and 8408 are my favorites, basically the same, but 8408's have a little longer tip. I used to use a size 0, 8404 and hold it really close to the tip for control, but now I prefer a size 1, 8408, and can hold it further from the tip, and fairly upright, as if I were doing very minute calligraphy. The longer tip and my arm moving more than my wrist or knuckles. 

I've heard of some cartoonists using size 2, 3 brushes, but usually not bigger for some reason (there are always exceptions: Blutch, Brinkman). I haven't done a comic on really huge paper in a little while. I feel like a smaller brush would be fun to use at a big desk. Or a big brush on a small desk.  I would like to know what size Chester Brown uses, drawing on a lap-desk.   


Tachikawa G-pen

The Tachikawa nibs are blowing up like crazy. Or maybe they blew up ten years ago, but I was busy twaddling my brush. Either way, Austin cued me into these little dudes, which he uses like a madman. I use them for lettering and occasional curlicue lines I'm too lazy to make with a brush. They've got really nice wooden holders, make really nice thin lines and can fan out proper. 

I wish I had discovered these earlier, instead of battling my soul with Hunt nibs, which also have their awesome abilities. Go talk to Overby or Dave Cooper or Marc Bell about that, I guess. Rumor on the street: Sammy Harkham used a Hunt 108 for years, but switched to a Tachikawa 'School nib' recently. In his newer work, I can see the change in the line, I think. Can you??
 
I realize there's a whole diverse range of Tachikawa products, which I'd like to investigate, but haven't yet. Maybe I will do a report on them sometime. Or maybe I will just dream of them.
Prismacolor 'Verithin' vs. 'Col-Erase' Non-photo Blue

There's a few kinds of non-photo blue pencils out there, and some of them suck, if you're picky. Chris Ware uses 'Col-Erase' pencils, or so I gather from the picture of his pencil-box in 'One Eye' by Charles Burns. But I hate that tool! I can only get the line and heaviness I like from a 'Verithin.' It is harder to erase, but the line it makes is really nice, so maybe you don't have to erase as much, since the tool itself is conducive to happy results.

I find the normal Prismacolor (not 'Verithin' or 'Col-Erase') to be too waxy and heavy, which is the normal complaint from cartoonists about ALL non-photo blue pencils. Either that, or 'you have to sharpen them too much,' but I guess I enjoy sharpening, non-electric. It's kind of like eating a carrot. Which, as we all know, is good for your eyes. I hereby state that the more sharpening you do, the better you will be able to 'see.'     

I'm amazed when I switch to a normal lead pencil, or a mechanical, at how much faster it is to work with, but I guess I don't get the line I want from them, for comics at least. Or rather, they don't make a line that I'll want to ink over. 

Non-photo blue is all about potentiality! The integration of a phase of process which will be rendered invisible. Begging for another step, later peeking out from underneath. This is getting rather long. I still haven't touched on paper and ink. Oh well. Thanks for reading this far. If my words haven't made you geek out and grab a pencil, maybe this will:




42 comments:

Uland said...

Hey Jesse— Are you back in Minnesota? I live about 4 miles from Wet Paint. I also got into Raphael brushes via that place. They're the best brushes, period.
Super helpful staff too. Did the sort of chubby guy with big glasses turn you onto Raphael, like he did me?
I almost feel bad doing these dry brush, snaggled looking things with the Raphaels, cause you can get such pristine lines out of 'em.

Chauncey said...

Now get this, honkies. You go tell Raphael that I ain't taking no jive from no Windsor & Newton messenger. You tell that asshole if he got something to tell me to get his ass down here himself. Now get your white ass out of here quick or I'll CUT IT.

Jesse McManus said...

@ULAND

Hey fellow, I spent the winter in St. Paul, speaking only to family and animals. Then I moved to Portland this spring. I want rain instead of snow......

I'm pretty sure we got recommended deez brushes by the same dude. He's really nice. It's a bummer that you can't get good Raphaels at Utrecht or Blick, individually, like you can at Wet Paint. Best store, although incredibly tiny. I gather they do online orders too.

I should've noted how those brushes rule for doing dry, snaggled things and recovering immediately for nice sharp lines, you should feel awesome for snaggling. I feel guilty sometimes for being 'too clean.'

@Chauncey

damn hell yes,

that's the real fury

Cathy Guisewite said...

All this talk about TOOLS has my stringy pubes in a knot... Now that I'm stripping my - er - retring my strip, I've been exploring the world of "Aht Kumixes" and find your blog most STIMULATING. Which one of you manchildren wants to get up on me and help bring a new cartooning titan into the world of tomorrow? ACK!

J.T. Dockery said...

Tachikawa, huh? Fascinating, and I'll be trying them. I've never gotten around to the brush thing, perhaps it's too late for me. I love this kinda crap, tho. It's ridiculous...I can safely say I've never gotten good advice on the tools of the drawing trade in the context of an academic art class; it's always been advice from other cartoonists in person or in print/online when the subject is touched upon. Geek out with your cock (and/or pen) out.

Jason Overby said...

Hunt 102 is where it's at for me. But I've never been good at ruling out clean, straight panel borders with it so I've started using Microns a bit lately. Whatever works, blah, blah, blah, but that feels like so much slumming. I can't get anywhere near the Zen feeling I get with 102s using those chintzy pieces of crap. I tried out the G-pen a little, and it's nice, but I can't get anywhere near as fine a line with it. Maybe I just need to try a few more G nibs. Luckily, the very first 102 I used (after getting burned breaking a six aught rapidograph) was a good one - otherwise, I'm sure I would've given up. There must be a lot of inconsistencies in the manufacturing process (or transport, maybe?) because most 102s I buy at least halfway suck. Occasionally, though, one is pure gold and will last quite a while.

Gotta try those Raphaels!

Uland said...

They're pretty expensive, but I was burning through Series 7 brushes at a fast clip. I think I paid $25 for a Raphael #2 brush, and it was %50 off ..

VOMITS VOMITS said...

@Cathy Guisewite

welcome to comets comets! we're all big fans of your work around here. we're happy you decided to call it quits at the top of your game, instead of going downhill like so many other strippers.

I'm sure several of our local man-children would consent to the productive relations you've proposed.

but what pen do you use? or do you draw with an anxiety-stiffened pube??

Jesse McManus said...

@ Jason

shhYAH, RIGHT!!! said...

"I think I paid $25 for a Raphael #2 brush, and it was %50 off .."

I don't believe you.

I just....don't.


Tachikawa nibs: $5 per/pack

Verithin pencils: $1 per/pencil

Raphael size 2: $20.00 per/brush

devouring your supplies through a blast of profane goonery wherein you draw a story you didn't even know you knew, then proceed to feel repulsed by for the next week until you show it to your cat and it winks at you softly, reassuring you that all is well in the universe, despite the lingering smell: PRICELESS

what happens on comets......stays on comets.

Uland said...

I don't understand or like you.

HARSH AGAIN said...

i respect it

Jason Overby said...

I was there to see Jesse scanning some pages today that bear witness to this process. Spectral blue lines and swooping brush marks. Beautiful stuff.

Assembled and tweaked much on the computer to be sure.

Jason Overby said...

@Jesse - good link. Sim's got the tech down. this:

"Always keep the pen nib clean. After a few lines, dip it in water and clean all of the old ink off with a tissue. Pluck the end of the pen nib with your thumbnail and index finger nail to pull out any stray hairs or fibrous. "

made me feel way less like I'm crazy. It's pretty much the way I ink, and some of my former studio mates couldn't believe I'd dip the nib in water and clean it so often. I also feel better knowing that Sim and Gerhard change nibs so often - way more than me - I need to start going through more nibs.

Paper-wise, btw, I've found that smooth Bristol works better than vellum for crowquill. It seems to make a big difference w/r/t getting caught on the paper. Better paper seems to yield better results, too.

and fresh bottles of ink work better than ones that've seen plenty of use!

@ULAND - you get what you pay for.

Humbert Humbert said...

Mr. Vomits (and compatriots of the nib):

Allow me to introdouche myself. I am Humbert Humbert, and Ms. Guisewite is my wife. I see we share the same redundancy of christian+surname, a sure indicator of our mutually moneyed and cultured upbringing. Perhaps one day we shall meet.

Cathy has sanctioned my elaboration of her working methods in this case, which I speak to the best of my memory:

She renders with Jeffrey Brown's decapitated and mummified penis, which coincidentally fits precisely in a Hunt pen sheath.

And viola, a career is made!

Now please, stay your lewd remarks towards my beloved; she is not well.

Anonymous said...

this post is classy

Jesse McManus said...

@ Humbert H.

I appreciate your presence and apologize on Vomits' behalf for any foul words directed at your darling dear. I was not raised a wealthy child, per se, but I agree that a meeting between us would incur substantial joviality, from both parties, yes.

i also appreciate the technical information you've passed on. with this post, and many others in the future, i strive for a stance of inclusivity and warm palms, extended for the traditional shaking.

it seems your beloved owes much to her fairly particular choice of tool. though brush hairs can rack up the raw cents with every stray ferulle they dive into, mummification seems expensive and complicated, beyond my means. but thanks to you, my brain has grown, however slightly. so complaining, on my part, would be retarded.

Ian Harker said...

I actually considered using a dip pen for like the first time in ten years the other day. Then the really shitty store I was in didn't have them and I left with more depressing microns. Is it just me or do they only last for like 3 pages worth of drawing? I press down really hard, I don't even try to stop myself anymore. I just ride the retard.

Jesse McManus entertains me.

Congratulations to Jason for taking advice from Dave Sim and feeling more sane!?!?!

Jason Overby said...

Sim may not be able to see the forest for the trees, but he's hardcore on tech.

Dip pens are a pain, and you do have to replace them often, but you can get beautiful lines and it feels way better to ink that way. I love inking more than anything else.

Ian Harker said...

I basically like to use felt tips because I only like to do one line weight. It's sorta like my own ghetto ligne claire. I don't know why I can't get past that, it's just one of my "rules". I could never get the hang of a rapidograph either. Felt like drawing with a compass.

I'm not really that into craft, mainly because I like to work really fast. I hope one day I will be though.

Jason Overby said...

Fuck it, man - fast is good - somebody oughta be making some comics!

John Porcellino said...

I am getting close to having had it with Microns. I switched at the end of the 90s cuz my Rapidos were always clogging (my fault for being lazy with cleaning), but lately it seems like the Microns degrade so rapidly... I'm never sure what I'm gonna get when I put pen to paper. The latest KC has some glitches in it because of the Micron's instability-- they'll suddenly make a not quite black line, which the scanner reads as grey, and then drops out when I go to b+w... My friend told me about some kind of Copic tech pen that's supposed to be good... anybody use those?

Jason Overby said...

haven't tried the Copic, but do you "threshold" post-scanning in Photoshop? you can make something look pretty contrasty. that always helps a lot for me.

Ian Harker said...

Does anybody know if some kind of high-end ballpoint pen made specifically for drawing that reproduces well exists? Because that would be my wet dream. There is nothing better than drawing with a ball point pen, but they reproduce like shit because of the shiny ink and the impressions in the paper. The feel of it is so great though.

Does anybody else value the act of drawing more than the final product itself? This is something I can't get over and is probably the reason behind my short artistic attention span. Drawing to me is almost 100% gestural. There is nothing developmental about it. I haven't pencilled a page in three years. I just like letting the drawing grow out of the pen. It's good but it's bad. I'm not sure the final drawing is a worthy document of the experience.

Also, I worship Bendik Kaltenborn. Just sayin'.

Dane said...

Does anyone use those Faber-Castell "PITT" pens? They are all I use anymore. Microns always felt strangely dull or something, like they have already been used when you open them. Anyway, I actually really like the Faber-Castell pens. They fit really nicely in my hand and generally feel right. They last slightly longer than microns, too, I think. I found they work especially well if you use the "F" and "S" together, sometimes on the same drawing. (It doesn't look obnoxiously jarring like it might with different micron sizes.)

I love a really good dip pen drawing more than anything, but I am so painfully bad at it it depresses me too much. Sometimes at 4 in the morning I pretend the Faber-Castell pen is a dip pen and I start doing swirly patterns and crosshatching.

Oh, also, has anyone heard about those refillable microns? I have heard of their existence but I have not seen one. Could be an economical boon, perhaps.

Sam Gas Can said...

John P., I have that exact same problem, I have huge areas on pages where I drew my lines quickly with a 0.5 micron to shade sky or water or something, and then when I apply the "threshold" (or even "levels"), to get everything to a "true" black, big chunks of it will disappear...I generally just use the PITT pens now, also because those have india ink in them, microns use archival.

Jason Overby said...

I've had troubles with it, too. The problem is when you have a lot of variety in line thicknesses. It's one of the reasons I went from using Higgins Black Magic to Dr. Ph. Martins - the ink isn't as silky, but it's blacker and reproduces better. Rapidographs are better because the ink is better, but they're too much of a hassle. I've had a little luck with Gel pens, but the line is crappy and varies wildly. I don't know if you're still using typing paper, John, but Bristol (Vellum for the Microns) holds ink better.

If you can find them, Rotring Rapidoliner's rule. they don't clog easily like Rapidographs and there's no clean-up, just cartidges, and the black's are black and the line is nice.

I.M.A. Pelican said...

GUNK TECH SPORT.
Noodlers' ink, anyone?
The bottle came with a refillable see through plastic fountain pen...my new favored appliance????? Good pen, how I love you....When your hand gets warm the ink starts to bubble inside, and you can watch it! (not really)
Fountain pens are fun if you can dig the saucy thick, nearly wide as a strand of angel hair pasta- almost 3 dimensional, get ready for it....
(((( .07 line. ))))))

Kind of the same restrictions as a sharpie.

ALso I really love the Sarasa .07 gel pens and have been buying them in paks of 10 since 2004 or so, but are only good on toothy and porous paper, typing paper.

Did a lot of sketch book . type paper comics with them. (Mining the MOON)

"Shut up bitch, No one asked you!"

Jesse McManus said...

i didn't realize so many folks were 'Micron Freaks'.

this is excellent. i will mark it down in the "RULES & TOOLS FOR Me AND You TOO" ledger.

This savage compendium does not actually exist.....BUT if it did, i'd be chalking it up with a freakin' micron, I'll tell you that straight off, bonzo!!

Alas, Dane's remark about Microns always feeling half-used, licked by the drifting populace of Dick Blick, tested via tags......dank shit on paper pads provided, near the pen display, I've felt his pain, and clearly, you have too, fellow commenters. I still 'test' the pens anyway.....

@ Pelican, I just just just GOTTA try those Sarasa gelly pens. Thought you were a Uni-ball man, but clearly you have several balls.

It also seems as though paper and ink need to be considered if we are to discuss touchy styluses. I thank those above who've divulged 'secrets of the papyrus.'

I dig Strathmore 400 and 500 Smooth. Used to LOVE drawing on Rives BFK. Both So expensive, over the long haul. I am about to take a cue from Brandon Graham and see what spoils Office Depot can bring me, once this pad runs out......ooof

And cripes, ink....AS a brush-user, I often have to let my ink sit for a while to get thicker and darker. But I keep a bottle of 'fresh' thin, watery ink nearby.

I find the Winsor and Newton "spider-bottle" kind is pretty okey right out of the box. I damn can't deal with that 'black magic' voodoo.

I want to know the best thick, black ink....i think the Japanese might have the answer ('deleter ink', next to the tachikawa nibz, natch....)

DerikB said...

"Does anybody else value the act of drawing more than the final product itself?"

Ian, it's funny, I wrote something to that effect on my blog in regards to your comics.

All this tool talk... I just do everything on my computer with my Wacom, Photoshop 5 has this great new brush tool that is fantastic. It tracks the angle of the pen so you can go from a super thin line to a big think swath just by tilting, but without smearing or dipping or cleaning.

Austin English said...

i was in new york central last week and was told that my favorite DALER ROWNEY sketchbooks

http://www.daler-rowney.com/content/hardback-books

are being 'hoarded' (cashiers words, not mine) by none other than Kiki Smith! Ha. I guess she heard I was using em huh?

Credit where crsdit is due dept:

megan kelso is the one who told me about G nibs (also available at ny central......plug) when I worked for her. i have used them ever since. this is a roundabout way to say that her new book 'artichoke tales' is awesome.

Ian Harker said...

Derik, thanks a lot for the reviews! I agree with everything you say about my strengths and weaknesses and yet it still comes off sounding as though my comics are at least semi-interesting. I'll take that!


I'm hoping that I'll eventually be able to mine some substance out of my process-over-product approach. For now people will just have to put up with my vague and confused childhood sentimentality. Perhaps one day I'll just naturally evolve confused sentimentality about my adulthood and then we'll really be rockin' and rollin'.

Tim Hensley is a good role model.

Uland said...

You guys with the micron+ photoshop "levels" problem: Are you scanning at a high enough resolution? It's counter-intuitive, but often in order to really get across the subtleties of really minimal drawing, you need to scan it really high, like 1200.

Pens: Lately, I like the "preppy" fountain pen; it is cheap and refillable, not so much variation in line. I've found it useful when drawing in really small scale.
Here is the Preppy:
http://www.wetpaintart.com/thumbnail.asp?cid=950
I like the Sakura "Gelly Roll" and uni-balls for notebook writing/drawing. Uni balls don't seem to work so well on many different kinds of paper.

Jeffrey Meyer said...

"Ian Harker said...
Does anybody know if some kind of high-end ballpoint pen made specifically for drawing that reproduces well exists?"

Ian, I use these a lot:

http://www.pilotpen.us/products/rollingball/

In particular the "Precise" models. Fast *and* smooth, superb ink flow. And the point extends about 3/16" from the collar, which I appreciate because I like to see around the tip as I'm drawing.

I've found it great for fluid clear-line stuff as well as more fussy detail and textures.

One drawback is it comes no larger than .7 and the ink is NOT waterproof and in fact may be the most "uncorrectable" ink I've ever encountered -- any white-out, etc. you use will make a bleeding mess and require several layers to fix. I've taken to, instead of correcting, simply drawing repeatedly on tracing paper (or typing paper on a lightbox) until I get a mistake-free drawing.

Examples:

http://tinyurl.com/jmcmpp

http://tinyurl.com/jmpiepp

http://tinyurl.com/jmktpp

http://tinyurl.com/jmskpp

http://tinyurl.com/jmstpp

http://tinyurl.com/jmampp

KIKI SMITH said...

UNTIL austin english gives birth to a heavy sculpture, I'll just keep my sketchbooks to myself.

(((by the pound)))

Delicious dolls don't count, dear. Gotta CAST that shit. Gotta make that shit WEIGH something. something like TEN TONS, deary doodle...

Only once your sculptures equal mine own in SHEER HEFT will we casually call each other up to "mutually RAPE" ny central of their precious hardbound shit-books.

Oh, gawd, If you hadn't moved to sweden I might've let you use my facilities. Bah hum-bag.

Jesse McManus said...

@Austin

Dude you should probly listen to her.....

The sculpture world is waiting for a bronze interpretation of "In Walked Bud"

(.....I guess this goes for John P. too.......)

....JUST SAYIN!!

Jesse McManus said...

I SHOULD ALSO SAY

Walt Kelly.

I SHOULD ALSO SAY said...

HARVEY FUCKING KURTZMANnnnnnnn


"jungle book"

Chuck said...

On Scanning and lines disappearing: My friend Joe Lambchops told me about the Burn tool in photoshop. That thing is great. just make the cursor really fat and go over your whole page and it will make the blacks blacker with every pass. Or just go over the little lines or faint lines that tend to disappear and it will fatten them up. and then i run threshold.

Anyone use the Pilot G-tec pens? Max de Radigués gave me one last year and it is fucking amazing. It's kind of a cheap gel pen but it draws like a rapidograph and has a little give to it kind of like a nib. It's a really unique pen. I mainly use it in my sketchbook. Not sure how archival they are. They have different sizes and colors too. The only place I can find them in the states is Jet-Pens: http://www.jetpens.com/product_info.php/products_id/4558

John Porcellino said...

Hey all... on tour, so just got to check this out...

I do use threshold, that's where I lost the lines (I imagine). They didn't make it past the threshold switch, unlike the rest of the page, and I didn't notice.

This was the first issue of KC I (mainly) drew on bristol (the relatively cheap "manga" stuff from Strathmore, in 11x17 which I cut down to four digest size pages (I draw at 100%).

And I also scanned this issue in at 1200 dpi. In the past I scanned at 600 and then resized to 1200, but this was using a new scanner that I wasn't used to, and there was a noticable difference in quality between the images I "resized" to 1200, and those I scanned in straight at 1200, so I went with the higher res for everything.

Mostly the dropouts are due to me being in a rush getting the book out before tour-- something I always do even though everytime I do it I tell myself it's the last time I will.

I want to check out those Rapidoliners. And the "burn" thing sounds like it would have been perfect in this instance... Thanks!

Jason Overby said...

oh, yeah! Bummed I missed seeing you yesterday!

Blaise Larmee said...

hockney advocates photoshop ///